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	<title>Comments on: Relishing the Trinitarian Dynamic &#8211; passing time in THE SHACK</title>
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		<title>By: Jeremy</title>
		<link>http://markmeynell.wordpress.com/2008/08/28/relishing-the-trinitarian-dynamic-passing-time-in-the-shack/#comment-8492</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 18:03:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Mark for the review, and thanks for not &quot;panning&quot; as I&#039;m sure I would have been tempted to do.  Made me think.

Of course, nothing is perfect so we should distill everything we take in, secular or not.

I have not read the book, I&#039;ll admit that, and maybe I should.  My concern is that, fiction or no, there are some serious issues about the nature of God raised in this book.

When I read that God the Father is a &quot;she&quot; and that Christ was not &quot;fully God&quot; (see above) and that the father and the son were not separated on the cross, alarm bells start ringing.

The question is, when there are defects such as these, to what extent should we encourage people to read it when clearly some levels of discernment are needed to distill what is true from what is blatantly not.

Like I say I have not read it, so am limited in what I can say, but the minute I see God portrayed as a &quot;she&quot; i personally feel that I&#039;ve got better things to read.

Must we not exercise discernment over what we even attempt to read? When Driscoll was asked &quot;should I read this book?&quot; His answer was simple. &quot;Dont&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Mark for the review, and thanks for not &#8220;panning&#8221; as I&#8217;m sure I would have been tempted to do.  Made me think.</p>
<p>Of course, nothing is perfect so we should distill everything we take in, secular or not.</p>
<p>I have not read the book, I&#8217;ll admit that, and maybe I should.  My concern is that, fiction or no, there are some serious issues about the nature of God raised in this book.</p>
<p>When I read that God the Father is a &#8220;she&#8221; and that Christ was not &#8220;fully God&#8221; (see above) and that the father and the son were not separated on the cross, alarm bells start ringing.</p>
<p>The question is, when there are defects such as these, to what extent should we encourage people to read it when clearly some levels of discernment are needed to distill what is true from what is blatantly not.</p>
<p>Like I say I have not read it, so am limited in what I can say, but the minute I see God portrayed as a &#8220;she&#8221; i personally feel that I&#8217;ve got better things to read.</p>
<p>Must we not exercise discernment over what we even attempt to read? When Driscoll was asked &#8220;should I read this book?&#8221; His answer was simple. &#8220;Dont&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Custard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Custard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 09:46:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You might want to check how your matrix image displays...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You might want to check how your matrix image displays&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: skyescatterbrain</title>
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		<dc:creator>skyescatterbrain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 11:08:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops, that&#039;s meant to be 722.org, sorry!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops, that&#8217;s meant to be 722.org, sorry!</p>
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		<title>By: skyescatterbrain</title>
		<link>http://markmeynell.wordpress.com/2008/08/28/relishing-the-trinitarian-dynamic-passing-time-in-the-shack/#comment-8485</link>
		<dc:creator>skyescatterbrain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 11:03:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Mark,

Thanks for these helpful comments. I have recently enjoyed The Shack too  and although not capable of the level of theological analysis you so helpfully give, I agree with your bottom-line of it being &#039;more helpful than unhelpful&#039;. I just listened to an interview with the author on www.772.org in which he says that he&#039;s been told of Christians who have been given the book by unbelieving friends excited to get them to read it! Lots to discuss and weigh up but surely better it&#039;s out there and stirring up that kind of discussion...?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Mark,</p>
<p>Thanks for these helpful comments. I have recently enjoyed The Shack too  and although not capable of the level of theological analysis you so helpfully give, I agree with your bottom-line of it being &#8216;more helpful than unhelpful&#8217;. I just listened to an interview with the author on <a href="http://www.772.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.772.org</a> in which he says that he&#8217;s been told of Christians who have been given the book by unbelieving friends excited to get them to read it! Lots to discuss and weigh up but surely better it&#8217;s out there and stirring up that kind of discussion&#8230;?</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Weston</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew Weston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 09:36:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I haven&#039;t read the Shack, but for recently published Christian fiction that deals with God&#039;s sovereignty and goodness in a world of suffering, the meaning of grace, the effects of Christ&#039;s death and the dangers of subtle evil, try &quot;The Infinite Day&quot; by Chris Walley (published by Tyndale House), the third part of an excellent trilogy. From the bits of the Shack I&#039;ve read through, this trilogy seems better written and without the problems the Shack has, even though it&#039;s still fiction! I&#039;ve learnt much from these books!

I will however be like a good journalist and admit my bias - the author is my uncle. Everyone I&#039;ve recommended it to has loved it though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t read the Shack, but for recently published Christian fiction that deals with God&#8217;s sovereignty and goodness in a world of suffering, the meaning of grace, the effects of Christ&#8217;s death and the dangers of subtle evil, try &#8220;The Infinite Day&#8221; by Chris Walley (published by Tyndale House), the third part of an excellent trilogy. From the bits of the Shack I&#8217;ve read through, this trilogy seems better written and without the problems the Shack has, even though it&#8217;s still fiction! I&#8217;ve learnt much from these books!</p>
<p>I will however be like a good journalist and admit my bias &#8211; the author is my uncle. Everyone I&#8217;ve recommended it to has loved it though.</p>
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		<title>By: markmeynell</title>
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		<dc:creator>markmeynell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 14:04:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi all
Thanks for speedy comments.

Thanks to WatcherOnTheWall - i&#039;d not seen that quote from the author - and have to say that I find those comments bizarre if not decidedly unhelpful - though they do go some way to explaining one or two smaller motifs in the book.

I suppose i knew that many would find the book inaccurate from a systematic theological perspective. But I think this is why it is key to remember that it is fiction.

Perhaps we should see it as an extended sermon illustration - all sermon illustrations have their flaws, especially when seeking to point us to God (again see my cross article mentioned above). But if we rejected EVERY illustration with a flaw we would never use them. And as long as we are clear and explicit about their limitations, they have a place. I hope i&#039;ve at least pointed to both this book&#039;s place and its clear limitations.

My hope though is that people have  a generosity of spirit when they read it - and look for what is helpful as much as they look for what is not. For i was certainly encouraged and challenged greatly by reading it. 

But perhaps it is all because i&#039;m getting middle aged and have more battles and hang-ups than I can count!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi all<br />
Thanks for speedy comments.</p>
<p>Thanks to WatcherOnTheWall &#8211; i&#8217;d not seen that quote from the author &#8211; and have to say that I find those comments bizarre if not decidedly unhelpful &#8211; though they do go some way to explaining one or two smaller motifs in the book.</p>
<p>I suppose i knew that many would find the book inaccurate from a systematic theological perspective. But I think this is why it is key to remember that it is fiction.</p>
<p>Perhaps we should see it as an extended sermon illustration &#8211; all sermon illustrations have their flaws, especially when seeking to point us to God (again see my cross article mentioned above). But if we rejected EVERY illustration with a flaw we would never use them. And as long as we are clear and explicit about their limitations, they have a place. I hope i&#8217;ve at least pointed to both this book&#8217;s place and its clear limitations.</p>
<p>My hope though is that people have  a generosity of spirit when they read it &#8211; and look for what is helpful as much as they look for what is not. For i was certainly encouraged and challenged greatly by reading it. </p>
<p>But perhaps it is all because i&#8217;m getting middle aged and have more battles and hang-ups than I can count!</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 12:29:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How interesting, I presumed you&#039;d pan it, and now I&#039;m intrigued enough to bother to read it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How interesting, I presumed you&#8217;d pan it, and now I&#8217;m intrigued enough to bother to read it.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Hames</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Hames</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 09:07:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmmm... not sure whether I&#039;m convinced! I know the only way to tell will be reading for myself. A couple of people (Challies, for example) have absolutely panned the book. Have you seen their reviews?

In the meantime, if anyone&#039;s interested in Trinitarian theology, check out Mike Reeves&#039; four introductory talks on this subject on Theology Network: http://theologynetwork.org/christian-beliefs/doctrine-of-god

Cheers,
Dan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmmm&#8230; not sure whether I&#8217;m convinced! I know the only way to tell will be reading for myself. A couple of people (Challies, for example) have absolutely panned the book. Have you seen their reviews?</p>
<p>In the meantime, if anyone&#8217;s interested in Trinitarian theology, check out Mike Reeves&#8217; four introductory talks on this subject on Theology Network: <a href="http://theologynetwork.org/christian-beliefs/doctrine-of-god" rel="nofollow">http://theologynetwork.org/christian-beliefs/doctrine-of-god</a></p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
Dan</p>
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		<title>By: David Lock</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Lock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 08:42:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Mark
Thanks for your review of the Shack.  It is not perfect, but I was deeply moved by it when I read it.  It was as if I felt I was in the presence of God and found myself wanting to be more Godly.  I don&#039;t know if that is complete subjectivism but it was a good place for me to be.  I found the marks on Papa very interesting.  It made me think about what Jesus on the cross meant for the Father--it must have broken his heart.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Mark<br />
Thanks for your review of the Shack.  It is not perfect, but I was deeply moved by it when I read it.  It was as if I felt I was in the presence of God and found myself wanting to be more Godly.  I don&#8217;t know if that is complete subjectivism but it was a good place for me to be.  I found the marks on Papa very interesting.  It made me think about what Jesus on the cross meant for the Father&#8211;it must have broken his heart.</p>
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		<title>By: fling</title>
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		<dc:creator>fling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 05:00:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It sounds like pretty good book. I&#039;ll add it to my to read list.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It sounds like pretty good book. I&#8217;ll add it to my to read list.</p>
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